Storytelling Siren: filmmaker Nikyatu Jusu on creating a new cinematic language with Nanny

Mame-Anna Diop, known professionally as Anna Diop, as Aisha in Nanny. 
Mame-Anna Diop, known professionally as Anna Diop, as Aisha in Nanny

Nanny writer and director Nikyatu Jusu talks about centering Black women, navigating the edit and retaining power when creative intention meets business reality. 

The conduit of horror is so fun for me—you can sneak in all this messaging in a really subconscious way that doesn’t feel on the surface. But also I get to have fun as a storyteller and not feel like I’m holding my audience’s hand.

—⁠Nikyatu Jusu

Nikyatu Jusu is a rising star in horror filmmaking whose feature debut Lynne Ramsay as three of her favorite filmmakers. And she’s steadfast when it comes to her purpose as an artist, which is telling stories that center Black women. 

The daughter of Sierra Leonean immigrants who grew up in Atlanta, Jusu originally enrolled at Duke University as an undergraduate studying biomedical engineering. Then she took a screenwriting class, and everything changed. She went on to study narrative filmmaking at NYU’s Tisch School of the Arts, setting her down a formative path that led through a series of acclaimed shorts—four of which, African Booty Scratcher, Say Grace Before Drowning, Flowers, and Suicide by Sunlight, are currently streaming on The Criterion Channel—and eventually to Nanny. Made on a budget of under $10 million, almost a third of which had to go on Covid protocols, Jusu’s feature debut succeeds through the strength of her vision and the collaborators who believed in that vision—including her producing partner, Nikkia Moulterie, and her star, Anna Diop (Titans’ Starfire). 

Aisha (Diop) nannies Rose (Rose Becker), while saving to bring her own son to America.
Aisha (Diop) nannies Rose (Rose Becker), while saving to bring her own son to America.

Nanny won the Grand Jury Prize in the US Dramatic Competition at Sundance—the first horror to do so. In the film, Diop stars as Aisha, an undocumented Senegalese immigrant who is looking for work in New York City so she can bring her young son to come and live with her in the US. Aisha takes a job babysitting six-year-old Rose (Rose Decker), the daughter of a wealthy white couple who “forget” to pay Aisha overtime—or on time at all—and take her increasingly for granted, the microaggressions mounting by the minute.

Torn between missing her son, taking care of Rose, exploring romance (with Malik, played by Sinqua Walls) and feeling the net of her intolerable working conditions tightening around her, Aisha begins to experience uncanny premonitions and visitations from Anansi, a West African trickster figure who takes the form of a spider, and Mami Wata, an African water spirit sometimes portrayed as a mermaid. What happens next is breathtaking—both aesthetically, and in the sense that you’re holding your breath at the suspense. 

While she has herself described the “vibe” of Nanny as a cross between Eve’s Bayou and The Shape of Water, and mentions slow-burn horror influences such as The Babadook, La Llorona, Let the Right One In, Audition, and A Tale of Two Sisters, Jusu’s film is naturally a creation unto its own. During our interview, she talks about contributing “a new language to the current state of motion pictures”, and indeed Malik writes in a Letterboxd review that Nanny is “a film that I felt like I’ve been waiting to see my entire life”. Alongside Jusu’s “shrewd story composition”, Ro praises cinematographer Rina Young’s “luxuriant photography and adept use of light… a celebration for the senses”. GingerBinger, meanwhile, simply says: “Damn. Just damn. Beautiful fucking diasporic love and community in the middle of a colonial thriller.”

The lighting, harsh inside her employers’ apartment, liquefies when Aisha is around Malik (Sinqua Walls).
The lighting, harsh inside her employers’ apartment, liquefies when Aisha is around Malik (Sinqua Walls).

Jusu’s insights into her creative process and the circumstances behind the production are as invigorating as Nanny itself—particularly when I seek her expansion on a comment she made in the film’s production notes about having to work to center Aisha’s point of view in post-production. In the new year, she will be honored alongside W. Kamau Bell and Ryan Coogler at the Sundance Film Festival’s new annual “opening night” event—an appropriate festival to be fêted at since, Jusu tells me, “they have elevated me in a way that has not allowed the industry to continue to ignore me as an artist.”

Why did you decide to make this film about a domestic worker, specifically?
Nikyatu Jusu: My mom did some domestic work. I watched her navigate situations that felt below her. I’m first-generation American. My family’s from Sierra Leone. And watching your parent who you care fiercely about enter other people’s homes to make a living—it really just has you questioning the system and questioning capitalism and questioning what it means to be the child of someone who has made these sacrifices. I’m the child of parents who made these sacrifices. I’ve navigated really elite spaces. And so, elevating to a class that your parents aimed for you to elevate to because of their sacrifices was the springboard for this film.

Given that your mom helped inspire Nanny, what has her involvement been with the filmmaking process? 
She’s seen every edit. She’s read the script, every iteration of the script. She’s a writer herself. My mom is an artist. She’s really brilliant. She had to take these jobs that were below her. And any Black woman who understands what I’m navigating and my mom has navigated, knows where this story comes from.

Amy (Michelle Monaghan) gives Aisha the instructions for her daughter. 
Amy (Michelle Monaghan) gives Aisha the instructions for her daughter. 

The idea of elevating these voices that don’t get much airing in filmmaking at large—it strikes me as something of a post-colonialist project. Would you agree?
You know what? I love that you brought in colonialism at all, because I rarely hear that in interviews being mentioned. I think about people like Saidiya Hartman, who talk about the afterlife of slavery. We’re still in the present of colonialism and enslavement and imperialism and white supremacy. There are a lot of things we haven’t reckoned with that are very much in the present. So I wouldn’t even say “post-”. This is still very present in the context of what we’re navigating.

As a filmmaker, are you using the way you express yourself through film to deconstruct colonialist aesthetics?
You know, the line between being hyper-aware of the commentary that you’re trying to make and being a present filmmaker who’s harnessing all of their tools is very fine. Because, you know, you can make something that feels like a PSA, which I say a lot in interviews, because people are allergic to being told what the message is sometimes. 

And so this is why the conduit of horror is so fun for me—you can sneak in all this messaging in a really subconscious way that doesn’t feel on the surface. But also I get to have fun as a storyteller and not feel like I’m holding my audience’s hand. I get to use soundscape. I get to use color palette, I get to use camera movement. I get to use all of these tools that allow me to still be an artist, but still make social commentary in a way that tricks a quote-unquote “mainstream audience” into embracing a protagonist that they typically would scroll past. 

Writer and director Nikyatu Jusu.
Writer and director Nikyatu Jusu.

There are portions of the film that take place within a short period of time, and portions where you pull back to take a more expansive view of how this experience affects Aisha’s life. 
There’s a film that you write. Even before you write, there’s a film that you conceived of in your brain that you started outlining. There’s a film that you put to paper, there’s a film that you shoot, and there’s a film that you sit in post-production with an editor who is a whole other human being. Editing is not necessarily a landscape that is super diverse. So I ended up having to work with editors who I had to remind at every step of the process who my protagonist was, because they were white men who were accustomed to showing the reaction shots of the white characters and lingering on the white characters.

So you have different films at every step of this process. You can be an artist who thinks that you’re going to have this theoretical amazing process, where what you conceived of ends up on the cutting room floor. But the reality is the business is still very white and patriarchal—and it’s for a reason. Motion pictures are really powerful. You can dictate how people feel about themselves. You can dictate how people feel about each other. 

So I had to navigate the same obstacles in post that I had to navigate for so many chapters of my life as the one Black woman in the room who loves her Blackness. I think that’s important to add that denotation because there are a lot of Black people maneuvering this industry who are willing to succumb to whiteness and willing to hate themselves. And I love my Blackness and I love Black people. So every step of this process is a fight. It takes a lot out of me. 

But because I went to film school, and I was trained in the ways that you’re still theoretically supposed to be trained as a filmmaker at these elite institutions, I learned every facet of this process. I think like an editor, I think like a screenwriter, I think like a director. And that has allowed me to have a little more power, because I know how to talk to an editor who doesn’t understand that the POV needs to stay on this Black woman for every millisecond of this film.

I hope I’m answering your question, but I also hope I’m evoking [the idea] that intentionality, at some point, meets the reality of the business. If you don’t have a strong center and you don’t have training to speak these languages, then you can easily get stuffed into a machine and lose sight of what your original creative voice was.

Natalie Paul as Valentina, a day-walking vampire in Suicide by Sunlight (2019). 
Natalie Paul as Valentina, a day-walking vampire in Suicide by Sunlight (2019)

You incorporate vampires into your short, Suicide by Sunlight, and Anansi and Mami Wata into Nanny. Are there any horror archetypes or folkloric figures that you feel called to explore on screen?
There’s a lot of culturally specific folklore that has not been introduced to the American horror mainstream. I’m getting stupid questions from interviewers who are like, “are Mami Wata and Anansi real?” And it’s like, well, you could Google it yourself and take some initiative. Which is why I think the shorter answer to your question is I’m never going to hold the audience’s hand into knowledge. I’m not going to be for everyone, nor do I want to be for everyone. Anyone who’s not going to take initiative to educate themselves about anything outside of the white-centric paradigm is not going to enjoy my work. 

I read the other day that you’re developing Suicide by Sunlight as a feature
Kind of. It’s very loose. The hook is the same in of day-walking Black vampires.

You had talked in the past about wanting to do that as a series. How did that idea evolve into a feature?
Well, the industry doesn’t allow you to do the things that you always want to do because it requires money and capital. 

Sure.
And there are some people who can make a shitty short and have a series based on that shitty short, especially if it centers whiteness. There’s some of us who have to play the long game. I’m one of those people who have had to play the long game, because I’m adamant about centering Black women. 

Which films have made you feel seen?
The beauty of my life is that I didn’t need to be seen in motion pictures. I was seen in my reality. And I think that’s what helps me to be a filmmaker who is to some degree affecting change, because motion pictures have been a propaganda machine from [their] inception in this nation. D.W. Griffith, the first filmmaker you study in film school, was conveying that Black people were hooligans and Black men were trying to rape white women. If anyone studies the origins of the motion picture industry in this nation, they understand it’s been propaganda since its origin. 

So, luckily, that’s not my North Star. I come from a family that is rich in culture. I’m Sierra Leonean American. I have really confident parents, highly educated, who challenge me at home. I have a friend group that is really smart and strong in of their Blackness. Even though we’re all maneuvering whiteness, we all love ourselves. And so my North Star is not motion pictures, which is why I think I’m able to contribute a new language to the current state of motion pictures.


Nanny’ is streaming on Prime Video via Amazon Studios and Blumhouse from December 16. This interview has been edited for length and clarity. 

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